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Risky Business #197 -- RSA comes clean

Presented by

Patrick Gray
Patrick Gray

CEO and Publisher

Adam Boileau
Adam Boileau

Technology Editor

In this week's feature interview we're chatting with Neal Wise of Assurance.com.au about RSA's decision to finally admit what we all knew already -- that its SecurID product line has been compromised. RSA is offering to replace tokens... we'll chat with Neal about whether it will make sense to do that or not.

In this week's sponsor interview we're joined by Astaro's director of Support Alan Toews. We're talking about the silver lining to all the chaos out there at the moment -- does the awareness raised by the actions of groups like LulzSec offset the harm they cause to their victims?

Adam Boileau, as usual, pops in to discuss the week's news.

Risky Business #197 -- RSA comes clean
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Why we secretly love LulzSec

Presented by

Patrick Gray
Patrick Gray

CEO and Publisher

Although large sections of the security community will deny it if you ask them, they're secretly enjoying watching LulzSec's campaign of mayhem unfold.

So far the "hacker group" has penetrated systems owned by Sony, PBS, the "FBI affiliate site" Infragard, security company (hah!) Unveillance and Nintendo, among others.

They're posting proprietary developer code. They're bringing back Tupac and Biggie. They're advising Nintendo on more secure httpd configurations. And they're issuing funny press releases via Twitter and Pastebin.

In the last few weeks these guys have picked up around 96,000 Twitter followers. That's 20,000 more than when I looked yesterday. Twitter has given LulzSec a stage to show off on, and showing off they are.

The Internetz, largely, are loving it.

It might be surprising to external observers, but security professionals are also secretly getting a kick out of watching these guys go nuts.

I wrote my first article on information security around May 2001. It was about the Sadmind worm and it ran on the letters page of the IT section of The Age newspaper in Melbourne.

"Geez," I thought to myself. "If awareness isn't raised about the unsuitability of these computamajiggies for srs bizness, we could encounter some problems down the track."

So for the last ten years I've been working in media, trying to raise awareness of the idea that maybe, just maybe, using insecure computers to hold your secrets, conduct your commerce and run your infrastructure is a shitty idea.

No one who mattered listened. Executives think it's FUD. They honestly think that if they keep paying their annual AV subscriptions they'll be shielded by Mr. Norton's magic cloak.

Security types like LulzSec because they're proving what a mess we're in. They're pointing at the elephant in the room and saying "LOOK AT THE GIGANTIC FUCKING ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM ZOMG WHY CAN'T YOU SEE IT??? ITS TRUNK IS IN YR COFFEE FFS!!!"

There is no security, there will be no security. The horse has bolted, and it's not going to be the infrastructure that's going to change, it's going to be us.

LulzSec is running around pummelling some of the world's most powerful organisations into the ground... for laughs! For lulz! For shits and giggles! Surely that tells you what you need to know about computer security: there isn't any.

The mainstream media are having fun criticising Sony for its poor security, but do we honestly think for a second that the XBox Live network can't be similarly pwnt? (I know the PSN breach hasn't been pinned on LulzSec, but the point stands.) Is there any target out there that can't be "gotten"?

State-sponsored attackers, likely Chinese, have even wormed their merry way through the networks of the US military industrial complex, buggering off with the blueprints for the next Lockheed Martin death-ray-lasermatron or similarly diabolical, geo-strategically altering super-weapon.

Yay! Human rights abusers with US-designed military technology! w00t w00t!

Thanks, RSA. <3

Don't even get me started on them. As BlackHat organiser turned US Department of Homeland Security advisor Jeff Moss Tweeted yesterday, "When I heard RSA had a shiny new half million dollar HSM to store seed files I wondered where had they been stored before".

We're relying on these boneheads to lock down our most sensitive R&D? Shoot me now.

What about privacy? Oh, well that's out the window too. Did you hear Facebook has facial recognition now? Great, huh? Plus the bloatware that is Facebook's Web application is full of bugs anyway, so we really do just have to assume all our Facebook accounts are pwnt. Our telcos are owned, our mobile devices track us, as the iPhone/Android tracking scandal showed us. Privacy is dead.

So why do we like LulzSec?

"I told you so."

That's why.

Check out the latest Risky Business podcast here.

Risky Business #196 -- Mark Dowd on infosec software bugs

Presented by

Patrick Gray
Patrick Gray

CEO and Publisher

Adam Boileau
Adam Boileau

Technology Editor

On this week's show we're taking a look at the issue of failkit. Why is it that the very software designed to keep our networks secure is full of bugs?

A pen tester buddy of mine recently found an 0day XSS in a single sign on product... on ITS FRONT PAGE. Another friend found an auth bypass in a two-factor authentication management console. ON ITS FRONT PAGE.

It's impossible to find AV engines that don't come preloaded with a zillion format string vulnerabilities, and as you'll hear in this week's news, even Cisco's VPN solution is a nice way to actually own organisations. WTF.

Bug hunter extraordinaire, Azimuth Security's Mark Dowd, joins us after the news to chat about that. We'll also have a quick chat with Josh Corman, an analyst with 451 group in the USA and co-founder of the Rugged Software initiative.

Adam Boileau, as always, stops by for a check of the week's news headlines.

Risky Business #196 -- Mark Dowd on infosec software bugs
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Risky Business #195 -- HD Moore on the new, 'legit underground'

Presented by

Patrick Gray
Patrick Gray

CEO and Publisher

Adam Boileau
Adam Boileau

Technology Editor

On this week's show we're chatting with HD Moore all about a recent decision by research house VUPEN to refuse to share their research into Chrome vulnerabilities with Google.

The French group likely sells 0days to governments, militaries and intelligence agencies to use on offensive operations -- so of course sharing its exploit information wouldn't make much sense for them. But what does this mean? Will we see any bugs in the open anymore? Or will they all go underground and be sold to governments?

This week's edition of the show is brought to you by NetWitness. Eddie Shwartz will be along after this week's feature interview to discuss the role of vendor marketing in making our situation worse. It's the job of marketing and salespeople to dazzle executives with bulldust -- but is it driving enterprise security investment in the best direction? Find out in this week's sponsor interview with Eddie Shwartz.

Adam Boileau stops by for a look at the week's news.

Risky Business #195 -- HD Moore on the new, 'legit underground'
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SPONSOR PODCAST: Microsoft's Maarten Van Horenbeeck on vulnerability scoring

Presented by

Patrick Gray
Patrick Gray

CEO and Publisher

Microsoft was kind enough to sponsor our coverage of AusCERT's 2011 conference and as a part of that sponsorship arrangement we're doing these sponsored podcasts. We've already posted two interviews with Microsoft peeps about security issues, but we're posting this full talk as well.

Maarten Van Horenbeeck works in the Microsoft Security Response Center managing Microsoft's efforts to share information on security vulnerabilities with third party security software providers, government agencies and national CERT teams.

This talk is about how Microsoft applies ratings to its product vulnerabilities... there are a bunch of ratings systems out there... Maarten covers off some of these and discuss how MS boils down its own scores. I hope you enjoy this talk.

SPONSOR PODCAST: Microsoft's Maarten Van Horenbeeck on vulnerability scoring
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PRESENTATION: Cambridge University's Ross Anderson on the economics of information security

Presented by

Patrick Gray
Patrick Gray

CEO and Publisher

This is a full presentation by AusCERT's day three keynote speaker Ross Anderson.

Ross has kindly allowed us to podcast his entire talk.

Ross is professor of security engineering at Cambridge University, and author of the bestselling textbook "Security Engineering: A Guide to Building Dependable Distributed Systems". He was a pioneer of peer-to-peer systems, of hardware tamper-resistance, and of the economics of information security.

Ross will discuss the economics of information security in two contexts: frauds against payment networks, and the resilience of the Internet. The talk will draw on a recent major study Cambridge did on the resilience of the Internet.

PRESENTATION: Cambridge University's Ross Anderson on the economics of information security
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Stuxnet, Wikileaks and the militarisation of the digital security discipline: An interview

Presented by

Patrick Gray
Patrick Gray

CEO and Publisher

Tony Oliver and the Pubcast crew interviewed me about the talk I did at ITWeb's Security Summit in South Africa the other week.

My talk was all about militarisation trends in the digital security field. I drew parallels between the Cold War and what's happening now. You can find it here.

Thanks to Tony and the rest of his gang for having me on their show. It's good to be on the other end of an interview every now and then!

PRESENTATION: AusCERT speed debates

Presented by

Patrick Gray
Patrick Gray

CEO and Publisher

You're about to hear one of the highlights of AusCERT's annual conference -- the speed debates! Not to be taken too seriously, the speed debate happens at the end of the con -- it's a chance to have a laugh and shed some lighter perspectives on the security discipline.

It's hosted by Australian broadcaster and journalist Adam Spencer. I hope you enjoy it.

PRESENTATION: AusCERT speed debates
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PRESENTATION: APNIC's Geoff Huston on routing system "lies"

Presented by

Patrick Gray
Patrick Gray

CEO and Publisher

This podcast is a complete presentation by APNIC's Geoff Huston.

According to the official synopsis: This presentation will outline the role of addresses and routing and the potential attack vectors, and will also report on the progress to establish a secure framework for addresses and their use in the Internet, highlighting the progress in establishing a secure routing environment for the Internet.

As regular RB listeners would know, we've followed APNIC's work and papers in this area and they have a habit of pushing out good stuff... so this should be a decent talk. Enjoy!

PRESENTATION: APNIC's Geoff Huston on routing system "lies"
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SPONSOR PODCAST: Stuart Strathdee on the PSN breach

Presented by

Patrick Gray
Patrick Gray

CEO and Publisher

Microsoft was kind enough to sponsor our coverage of AusCERT's 2011 conference and as a part of that sponsorship arrangement we're doing these sponsored podcasts. They're general chats with Microsoft peeps about security issues.

And in this interview we're chatting with Microsoft Australia's Chief Security Advisor Stuart Strathdee about the affect the PSN network breach has had on large organisations' security outlook. As you'll hear, Stuart says a lot of security projects that had been on the back burner are now being brought forward.

Enjoy!

SPONSOR PODCAST: Stuart Strathdee on the PSN breach
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