In this episode of the Wide World of Cyber podcast Risky Business host Patrick Gray chats with SentinelOne’s Chris Krebs and Alex Stamos about AI, DeepSeek, and regulation.

From its bad transport security to its Chinese ownership and the economic implications of China “entering the chat”, everyone’s freaking out over this new model. But should they be?

Pat, Alex and Chris dissect the model’s significance, the politics of it all and how AI regulation in Europe, the US and China will shape the future of LLMs.