Tom Uren and Adam Boileau talk about how scam compound criminal syndicates are responding to strong government action by moving operations overseas. It’s good they are being affected, but they are shifting into new countries that don’t have the ability to counter industrial-scale transnational organised crime.

They also discuss CISA’s Secure by Design initiative and that key people behind the program have left the organisation. Given prospective job cuts at CISA it is hard to see the initiative getting a lot of love, but international cyber security authorities should pick up the slack.