Tom Uren and Patrick Gray talk about how Operation Endgame, the multinational law enforcement effort to tackle ransomware is approaching the problem holisitically. It’s tackling the enablers of ransomware and although it won’t eliminate the crime, it’ll make it harder for criminals.

They also discuss the spyware app that helped to dismantle the Syrian regime, at least maybe a little bit, and how Russian military intelligence’s sabotage and assasination unit got into cyber operations.