Tom Uren and Amberleigh Jack talk about the Clop ransomware gang. It is interesting because the group has arrived at a strategy that rinses a whole lot of enterprises at once and comes with a decent pay day. But it’s actually the least damaging kind of ransomware. Tom wonders why can’t more gangs be like Clop?

They also discuss the US government having second thoughts about ignoring foreign influence operations. Its adversaries run them all the time, so perhaps just sticking its head in the sand isn’t the best strategy.