Risky Business Video
June 15, 2026
Between Two Nerds: Why NATO and cyber don't mix
Presented by
Tom Uren
Policy & Intelligence
The Grugq
Independent Security Researcher
In this edition of Between Two Nerds Tom Uren and The Grugq talk about how NATO is set up to deter conventional conflict, and how that approach is fundamentally unsuited for ongoing, everyday cyber operations that tackle adversaries.