Risky Business Video
November 03, 2025
Between Two Nerds: Lost in transmission
Presented by
    
        Tom Uren
        
Policy & Intelligence
    
        The Grugq
        
Independent Security Researcher
In this edition of Between Two Nerds Tom Uren and The Grugq discuss the futility of using aggressive cyber operations to send messages between states.
Show notes
- The Record, Volt Typhoon was not successful: https://therecord.media/china-typhoon-hackers-nsa-fbi-response
 - Sand in the gears: Sabotage in world politics by Joshua Rovner, Rory Cormac and Lennart Maschmeyer: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/european-journal-of-international-security/article/sand-in-the-gears-sabotage-in-world-politics/EB1FA8B5BC7400C358EFFC2D8624B181
 - Sponsor interview https://risky.biz/RBNEWSSI106/