Between Two Nerds: How loose is too loose?

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In this edition of Between Two Nerds Tom Uren and The Grugq talk about how states have very different approaches to controlling cyber operations.

At the very beginning they refer to this Microsoft Threat Intelligence post here: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/security/blog/2024/12/04/frequent-freeloader-part-i-secret-blizzard-compromising-storm-0156-infrastructure-for-espionage/