Risky Business Video
August 18, 2025
Between Two Nerds: Cyber myopia
Presented by

Tom Uren
Policy & Intelligence

The Grugq
Independent Security Researcher
In this edition of Between Two Nerds Tom Uren and The Grugq talk about whether the cyber industry and intelligence agencies focus too much on technical details and ignore the bigger picture.
Show notes:
- Director-General ASIO speech on Counting the Cost of Espionage https://www.asio.gov.au/26th-annual-hawke-lecture-counting-and-countering-cost-espionage