Risky Business Video
February 10, 2025
Between Two Nerds: A Paragon of virtue
Presented by
![Tom Uren](/static/img/tom-uren.jpg)
Tom Uren
Policy & Intelligence
![The Grugq](/static/img/the-grugq.jpg)
The Grugq
Independent Security Researcher
In this edition of Between Two Nerds Tom Uren and The Grugq talk about Israeli spyware vendor Paragon, how and why it positions itself to sell to the US market, and how its capabilities might work.
Show notes:
- TechCrunch report (https://techcrunch.com/2025/01/31/whatsapp-says-it-disrupted-a-hacking-campaign-targeting-journalists-with-spyware/))
- this tweet (https://x.com/sherrwood9/status/1886053557880951253))
- Dropping Italy as a customer (https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/feb/06/owner-of-spyware-used-in-alleged-whatsapp-breach-ends-contract-with-italy))