Risky Bulletin Podcast

June 16, 2026

Between Two Nerds: Why NATO and cyber don't mix

Presented by

The Grugq
The Grugq

Independent Security Researcher

Tom Uren
Tom Uren

Policy & Intelligence

In this edition of Between Two Nerds Tom Uren and The Grugq talk about how NATO is set up to deter conventional conflict, and how that approach is fundamentally unsuited for ongoing, everyday cyber operations that are intended to confound adversaries.

This episode is also available on YouTube.

Between Two Nerds: Why NATO and cyber don't mix
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