Risky Business News Podcast
January 27, 2026
Between Two Nerds: Getting pinged and the fog of war
Presented by
The Grugq
Independent Security Researcher
Tom Uren
Policy & Intelligence
In this edition of Between Two Nerds Tom Uren and The Grugq discuss how getting pinged hurts state hackers by introducing uncertainty. Publishing technical reports on the hack can actually improve the situation by removing uncertainty about how attackers were detected.
This episode is also available on Youtube.
Between Two Nerds: Getting pinged and the fog of war
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